tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post1063767681857245484..comments2023-03-29T11:36:01.077-04:00Comments on This Is REVERB: Permissional vs. Positional...Reverbhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12480677331450038605noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-13388975706865563742008-10-02T12:24:00.000-04:002008-10-02T12:24:00.000-04:00Thank you for this post. I have a brother who con...Thank you for this post. I have a brother who constantly feels attacked by me and so I tend to just let go and I don't want to let go. This is so helpful to me.<BR/><BR/>I am also an empathizer. It has its advantages, but sometimes it hurts me because I feel the pain and cry for people. :( That is when it's too much. I try not to do that, but it's hard not to. I have a hard time with the news sometimes. --Do you ever experience this?The Neon Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983450307956741412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-54463984504429103722008-10-02T09:54:00.000-04:002008-10-02T09:54:00.000-04:00@ Lisa - (In a "Price is Right" voice) C...@ Lisa - (In a "Price is Right" voice) COME ON DOWN!!!<BR/><BR/>@ Todd & Randi - Can't wait to see some pics!<BR/><BR/>@ nickandbec - and the longest comment ever award goes to...<BR/><BR/>That's good stuff actually. I love long comments. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>@ Snobound - Awesome! Good job stepping out to do something super important. <BR/><BR/>@ Kelley - Of course you can post it...never ask again. It's always yes.<BR/><BR/>@ Jenny - Thanks for the link love!<BR/><BR/>@ sharpmj - Sweet...I love VWS peeps.Reverbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12480677331450038605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-90274380709225630362008-10-02T09:02:00.000-04:002008-10-02T09:02:00.000-04:00Great post, Ryan. I found your blog through Murph...Great post, Ryan. I found your blog through Murph's blog, through Steve Fuller's blog. <BR/><BR/>And now I know 2 bloggers from the VWS.<BR/><BR/>Great message the other week about royalty. Me, my wife and son are really digging what you, Tim, and the others are doing in our community.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,Michael Joseph Sharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05283635860472046218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-58492297811604722572008-10-02T08:12:00.000-04:002008-10-02T08:12:00.000-04:00Great post! I will certainly be trying this, than...Great post! I will certainly be trying this, thank you.<BR/><BR/>I've posted about your post on my blog asking people to check it out.<BR/><BR/>Good stuff.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07521624473981279351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-74973351023999622532008-10-01T22:36:00.000-04:002008-10-01T22:36:00.000-04:00I like that thought of getting permission to appro...I like that thought of getting permission to approach a topic with someone. Because if you're just doing position, their ears are usually closed to you anyway. I might even try it on my 4 year old.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01029244567686979589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-433028810977961712008-10-01T22:20:00.000-04:002008-10-01T22:20:00.000-04:00That's a good word right there!That's a good word right there!Helen Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03475346254354574725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-84836533257155178132008-10-01T21:11:00.000-04:002008-10-01T21:11:00.000-04:00This has got to be one of my favorite blogs. What ...This has got to be one of my favorite blogs. What awesome thoughts! Can I post that quote on my blog?Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12303533145105121627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-91470028687789490812008-10-01T18:42:00.000-04:002008-10-01T18:42:00.000-04:00I too feel I have the gift of Empathy. I will use ...I too feel I have the gift of Empathy. I will use your technique next time I feel like grabbing someone and slapping them silly.Twinmommy2boyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14496070896628069871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-52219976543694745692008-10-01T18:34:00.000-04:002008-10-01T18:34:00.000-04:00I love your posts Ryan. I never know from day to d...I love your posts Ryan. I never know from day to day what to expect... One day it's just randomography, the next it's this deep insightful leadership information.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the great work through Christ.achildofthekinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16431322348633034092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-62223525680522430042008-10-01T14:36:00.000-04:002008-10-01T14:36:00.000-04:00That reminds me of a saying, "It's nice to be impo...That reminds me of a saying, "It's nice to be important but more important to be nice."<BR/>Your empathy is what makes you a good Pastor. And it is so wise to approach a situation diplomatically. Great post.Debbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341650425672918134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-42035975202569808752008-10-01T14:24:00.000-04:002008-10-01T14:24:00.000-04:00Well written. I know I needed to read that - I'm ...Well written. I know I needed to read that - I'm getting ready to start leading a Bible study, and I never want to be one of the pushy, positional leaders, although at times it does have its place.snoboundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04364804868273043973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-22618281872749400302008-10-01T13:19:00.000-04:002008-10-01T13:19:00.000-04:00I was talking to my mom about life and she told me...I was talking to my mom about life and she told me to read your blog. Apparently you and I are more alike than you know. Everything I was saying to her, went along with exactly what you wrote. God is awesome. I needed this. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for being you, big brother =]Allayna Teddie Winklerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17806390708260472318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-31421137873756764142008-10-01T12:59:00.000-04:002008-10-01T12:59:00.000-04:00I know we might be using slightly different vocabu...I know we might be using slightly different vocabulary, and come from different backgrounds, but these are my thoughts. My husband and I have been talking about the role of authority in the Kingdom a lot lately.<BR/><BR/>Authority is the support for relationships in the Kingdom. The basic premise is this: the authority of the kingdom is meant to support those relationships that are submitted to that authority; it does not support (or "work") outside of the kingdom structure. <BR/><BR/>For an example, we'll examine the roles of a husband and wife in a marriage. As we know, the sanctity of marriage is meant as a real world manifestation of the relationship between the Body and Christ. For that reason, the wife is under the authority of the husband and the husband must love the wife.<BR/><BR/>The most common challenge to this view of a marriage is "What if the husband is abusive?" The answer to that question depends on the condition of the husband and wife: saved or unsaved--essentially. If the husband is saved, then he is under the authority of Christ and is accountable to Him. Thus the answer to the question under this first scenario is not as simple as "the wife should do X or Y." Rather, the answer is "Who is the Husband's Pastor who can attempt to bring correction to him?" And I'm not talking about a pastor of a church. <BR/><BR/>When the husband's soul is out of line (ex. abusive to the wife) the pastor is accountable for his soul and is the source of correction. If the husband refuses to submit to the pastor's recommendation and continues to operate from his soul then eventually he will be lost. Thus, there is an onus on each individual to submit to the authority of the Kingdom and to seek to be led by the Holy Spirit. If they refuse to do so, their own relationships in the kingdom will break down. Essentially, the relationships of the kingdom are not meant to be imperfect and they are unique only to the kingdom. <BR/><BR/>The second scenario is much simpler: the Husband is not saved. In this case, the remedies of the Kingdom do not apply because the husband has not submitted to the Kingdom's authority. If the husband will be saved, excellent! If not, then the wife was not intended to be under his authority because he is not a representative of the person of Christ. Indeed, having not submitted himself to Christ, he is unfit to be such a representative.<BR/><BR/>I do apologize for such a long comment, but I wanted to express my thoughts completely. -RebeccaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-63249195077256597662008-10-01T12:36:00.000-04:002008-10-01T12:36:00.000-04:00I'm a "fixer" and a "rescuer". When I finally reco...I'm a "fixer" and a "rescuer". When I finally recognized these traits I learned to back off.(not everyone WANTS me to problem solve) I started asking good questions in hopes of getting folks to think through and verbalize about their issues - much more successful!!MarthaBeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13383664777578184397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-54897818076236863792008-10-01T12:24:00.000-04:002008-10-01T12:24:00.000-04:00Very interesting post, I am that person with the e...Very interesting post, I am that person with the empathy. I had never thought of asking first, very smart, I shall try it.Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873266372035209584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-52485437949121647112008-10-01T12:04:00.000-04:002008-10-01T12:04:00.000-04:00Love the Wesley quote... some good came out of my...Love the Wesley quote... some good came out of my upbringing as a Methodist.<BR/><BR/>keep up the good work, bro.neckelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05330070987405229037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-74133031342102580562008-10-01T11:52:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:52:00.000-04:00Very good thoughts and questions. I have found re...Very good thoughts and questions. I have found recently that I need to approach a couple of people with the "permissional" attitude, so I appreciate the encouraging words.<BR/><BR/>Blessings!<BR/>KimKimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12780331901164661237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-5746512327730361922008-10-01T11:42:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:42:00.000-04:00Wow! Thank you for this post. Your imaginary frien...Wow! Thank you for this post. Your imaginary friend problem is one my husband and I see with a family member. They have children that we see emulating the parents lack of respect to each other. While the parents are staying together "or the children" we see the meanness and see the kids learning that that is "normal." <BR/><BR/>We have not known how or even if it should be approached, but we hate to see the kids moving in the way they are, and knowing the impact this will have with their future relationships.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, this was some great insight and a great perspective on thin ice issues.larkswinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07945496247329378715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-37720634561833029512008-10-01T11:37:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:37:00.000-04:00Great post! And I love the Randomography. I emai...Great post! And I love the Randomography. I emailed you a few weeks ago about your camera. I think we'll be getting ours soon. I can't wait.Todd and Randihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12365512795464178819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-57017908650079929782008-10-01T11:36:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:36:00.000-04:00Very good insight. I know that too often I am doin...Very good insight. I know that too often I am doing the "positional" leading. I will now make it a point to be intenially "permissional". Thanks for being a great leader and for teaching me new things all the time. <BR/>MomTracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08628207086519489076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-81211493892823825502008-10-01T11:23:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:23:00.000-04:00I love your blog. I look forward to your daily po...I love your blog. I look forward to your daily postings and hope one of these days I'll make it down to Cinci to visit your church. Toledo's not that far :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01347083651948186533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-77135393000705549162008-10-01T11:17:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:17:00.000-04:00Very well written. And it's so true! I try to appr...Very well written. And it's so true! I try to approach those could-be uncomfortable conversations in this manner, quite carefully and thoughtfully...it cuts a lot of tension and usually has a good outcome =)•´.¸¸.•¨¯`♥.Erin.♥´¯¨•.¸¸.´•https://www.blogger.com/profile/16136222957417970871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2748314251879517823.post-75745556995604466152008-10-01T11:16:00.000-04:002008-10-01T11:16:00.000-04:00Those are good thoughts. I usually don't say anyt...Those are good thoughts. I usually don't say anything because I don't want to judge or come off as judging and yet I don't say anything at all because of that reason and sometimes subjects should be talked about. Thanks fo the insight.Normahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01354148517345195848noreply@blogger.com